NORIO HAYAKAWA'S LATEST INTERVIEW
November 27, 2005
by Zacherle Hoag (Vault of the Unexplained)
What do you believe is behind the UFO phenomena?
I have researched the "UFO phenomena" for almost 45 years and have read hundreds and hundreds of sighting reports, analyzed hundreds of documents, seen many many footages of sightings, personally experienced a few sightings which I could not readily explain, interviewed hundreds of eyewitnesses (including some so-called "abductees") and traveled far and wide to many sightings locations in both Japan and the United States, as well as Mexico, Chile and Argentina.
Surprising as it may sound, after all these personal efforts of many years, I still do not have any conclusive answers to the UFO phenomenon.
We have yet to come up with a single physical, solid, hard, tangible, irrefutable evidence to prove that the UFO phenomena are physical manifestations of physical extraterrestrial intelligent entities from beyond this earth. Empirical science, the only discipline available so far that we can rely on to determine a physical existence of a phenomenon, has not come up with any concrete evidence to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that "UFOs" are "nuts-and-bolts" physical craft operated or manipulated and occupied by physical entities from advanced extraterrestrial civilizations. I sometimes think that the entire phenomena could even be some form of religious manifestations or religious manipulations by a power which we cannot comprehend simply by physical pursuit, a power which apparently is capable of presenting an "instant" (but only "temporary") "appearance" or "illusion" of being a physical phenomenon to the observer. Some suggest that it could even be a momentary, holographic instrusion from "parallel intelligence" Some others even suggest that it coud be perhaps some form of "time-slip", interdimensional "accident". We just don't have the answer.
Why do you believe that UFOs are a satanic deception?
I never said that UFOs are satanic deception. However, many highly respected researchers such as John A. Keel, have long come up with analogies between the UFO phenomenon and many aspects of demonology or demonic manifestations. Dr. Jacques Vallee, who is one of the most prominent researchers in this field, has also suggested that the UFO phenomena could be some form of mental or "spiritual" manipulations by what can only be described as unknown non-physical, intelligent (but quite often "mischievous"or even "malevolent") entities for purposes yet incomprehensible to mankind.
I concur with both of these researchers. I believe that occasionally these ultra-dimensional entities may be able to suddenly and temporarily intrude into our physical dimension and appear to be a physical manifestation to the observer. I could be wrong on this.
(Moreover, these last few years I have also come to believe that should there exist "malevolent" types of entities there ought to exist also "benevolent" entities as well. In fact, some religionists seem to believe that 2/3 of all entities are "benevolent" and that 1/3 are the "malevolent" ones)
Why did you abandon the extraterrestrial hypothesis?
Just as John A. Keel and Dr. Jacques Vallee have both abandoned their Extraterrestrial Hypothesis of the origins of the UFO phenomena after many years of research, I, too, came up with a conclusion that it is impossible to pursue this phenomenon simply by relying on empirical methodology to prove that "UFOs" are physical extraterrestrial craft operated by advanced extraterrestrial civilization probing our planet. Like I stated, we have yet to come up with any irrefutable, solid evidence to prove that we are being visited by physical entities from beyond this earth. We must be very careful, however, with the use of terminology. Religionists who believe that UFOs are satanic manifestations may accept the term "extraterrestrial" in the sense that these entities, who they often describe as "fallen angelic entities" or "demonic entities", are not of this earth. "Extraterrestrial", therefore, is a relative term.
What is your opinion on alien abductions?
The abduction phenomena allegedly experienced by the abductees may be "real" to the abductees. However, when we talk about "reality", "reality" is relative. We still do not totally comprehend what "reality" is. This phenomenon could be some form of yet unknown mass (or individual) psychological phenomenon or it could be a manipulation by some invisible power for reasons unknown at this time.
Can you give us your opinion on John Lear and William Cooper?
John Lear is an accomplished pilot, period. However, beyond that, whatever he has proclaimed in the past regarding "aliens" or "alien bases" simply remains a "story", whether or not one believes that Lear was part of a disinformation campaign to bring ridicule to those who attempted to scrutinize what was or is really going on at bases such as Area 51 in Nevada. Bill Cooper initially was a believer and promoter of the UFO phenomenon. However, he later on reversed his position and began to state that the "government" had manipulated a segment of the population by making them believe in UFOs to create a universal threat in the future as part of a convenient means to cause panic in order to forcefully unify the world into a one-world government.
There was a time when I also took this position. I urge you to read my article: BILL COOPER, A MANIPULATED MISINFORMANT OF THE 90'S?
What do you believe goes on at Area 51?
Many defense-related projects go on at Area 51. Defense contractors (such as E.G. & G., Raytheon, Lockheed, Northrop Grumman, General Atomics, Boeing, etc.) are constantly working on various compartmentalized projects such as hypersonic reconnaissance aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAVs), new generations of stealth and new radar systems. I believe it is a vital base for our national defense interests. I support the necessity of such bases as long as they remain strictly for our national defense interests. I urge you to go to: THE DREAMLAND RESORT, the world's largest online resource on Area 51
What is your opinion on Bob Lazar?
We have so many unanswered questions on Bob Lazar. He truly is an enigmatic person. I urge you to read my article: THE STRANGE BEHAVIOR OF BOB LAZAR (alleged former Area 51 "scientist")
Why did you abandon your conspiratorial views of Area 51?
There simply isn't any substance to any conspiracy theories regarding Area 51. I would like to believe that it is our hard-earned tax dollars that are in the programs at the base. I strongly support the existence and need for such bases as long as they remain strictly for our national defense interests.
Why do you believe Area 51 was never a secret base?
Area 51 conveniently became a "secret base" because of rumors. The accidental creation of a "veil of secrecy" through rumors worked well in the end, especially for the Air Force which needed a convenient "cover story" to discourage any scrutiny of the base and its sensitive R & D programs by the public. The "laughter curtain" became a convenient veil for the Air Force's ongoing programs at the base.
I urge you to read the article: AREA 51 WAS NEVER A SECRET BASE, by aerospace historian, Peter Merlin
Do you believe there is anything strange at all going on in Dulce, New Mexico including the possibility of an underground base (even if it is not an alien base)?
In the late seventies and early eighties, there were reports of sightings of "UFOs" or lights in the sky over Dulce. I definitely did read some newspaper reports on the sightings while I was living in Arizona. But that does not mean that an "alien base" existed or exists in Dulce. I was in Dulce in 1990 and talked to many residents there and spoke with the Jicarilla Apache Indian Chief in Dulce, although after being detained temporarily by his Police Chief at his office. But, nevertheless, I did not see any visible signs of any bases in or near Dulce.
(Post Script: I revisited Dulce in March of 2007. It was an interesting visit, to say the least.
I urge you to read: DULCE REVISITED - Mysteries Still Remain
However, as I mentioned above, I still haven't come across any irrefutable, solid, concrete evidence that a physical base exists in or near Dulce. I am still continuing with my investigations..........as of October, 2008).
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